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Multi-ing for the aesthetic

[(Anonymous)]

https://saltminerising.tumblr.com/post/670012367891005441/i-multi-sooo-much-just-for-different-aesthetics-in

So, I get the whole 'it's okay if I break a rule because I understand the SPIRIT of why that rule was made and I'm not violating that spirit' mindset.

As an analogy, I'm an urbexer RL, meaning I recreationally and knowingly break the law, trespassing into whatever abandoned structures I can find a way to wriggle into. I don't spray-paint, leave trash, or steal artifacts - I don't even go inside if I can't figure out how to enter without causing new damage. Neither do I have any intention to sue if I get my dumb ass injured. Those are the kind of behaviors the laws I am breaking exist to prevent, so my conscience doesn't have a problem.

However, if I were to get caught - I don't expect anyone to be telepathic. Nobody has any reason to trust that my motives are purely 'I want to take cool pictures and dreamily reflect upon entropy'. So if I ever do get in actual trouble over this, well, them's the breaks.

Similarly, if you are opposed to people creating extra accounts for an economic advantage - do you think the FR team has the time or resources to monitor every 'ethical multi-accounter' to make sure that's not what's happening? Would you want to put that burden on them? A one human=one account rule is much simpler to enforce. Of course they're still not catching everybody that way, and sadly there are probably some false positives too, but there's never going to be a perfect compromise between allowing cheaters to create infinite accounts for free stuff and requiring you to use your social security number to sign up.

There's certainly an argument/suggestion to be made for official 'sub-accounts' that are locked out of dailies/freebies, can't access flight forums, etc, but until that functionality is implemented, all you can create is another full-fledged account, and anonymously pinky-swearing that you won't abuse it isn't particularly reassuring.

Re: Multi-ing for the aesthetic

[(Anonymous)]

Please, in multi-just-for-aesthetics cases I take the stance that it doesn't exist: you are profiting from having an extra account, double gathering turns, double bonuses, cheaper lair spaces and everything. Just because two separate FR accounts get the 'profit' and not one (no funneling) still means that the same one human is profiting.

Re: Multi-ing for the aesthetic

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

At the end of the day, it's cheap lair space no matter how you cut it. The lair space money has to come from somewhere, and it's most likely the resources the new account is pulling. Whether it be from free dom bonuses, free gathering turns, etc that person is 100% profitting off of the new account so they dont have to shell out hundreds of thounsands of treasure to expand their old lair. There's no arguing against it no matter what the intentions or spirit of it were. There are SO MANY of people on FR with bloated lairs who struggle to find more lair space for their fantastic dragons, and if they can find a way to keep reviving their lair and upkeeping their lair aesthetic: so. can. everyone. else. No excuses.

Re: Multi-ing for the aesthetic

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I can understand the intention behind it, but at the end of the day, it still means that that person has an advantage over someone else who might want different 'aesthetics' but doesn't want to cheat to do so.

They have to use lair tabs and descriptions, etc... spending more money to get more lair space (unless the multi is maxxed out on all accounts)to still have fewer dragons for each 'aesthetic' than the multi, and don't have the benefit of having multiple nests in multiple elements.

I also have the feeling that the truly 'my accounts never interact' multis are rare. I am just going by how I would feel, and I know others have more willpower than me, but I could imagine that the pressure of knowing 'I need an X nest for this pair, and hey I have an account with that element!' and not having to worry about your dragons being 'stolen' (whether intentionally or not), or the idea that 'I have an X on my other account, and I need it for my HibDen task... it is so expensive I don't want to have to buy it!' would be intense, and many people would just go 'well it is just one item!' or 'well, it is just one nest!' and have their accounts interact that way.

It wouldn't be 'funneling', but it is still having their accounts interact, and them having the advantage of having multiple gathering turns/pink visits/fairgrounds maxes/etc... a day that other players don't.

Re: Multi-ing for the aesthetic

[(Anonymous)]

op

It is, in theory, possible to ethically multi.

You would need to:

-Abstain from dailies/freebies/etc, obviously.

-Track, and dump/donate/whatever, any treasure and gems you automatically receive from things like well-fed and flight dom bonuses. (And not donate them to your flight dom efforts, either.)

-Refrain from fully expanding your lair and den on your primary account. Treat your starter 5 lair/den slots on the secondary account as 'buying' more slots at your primary account's current price point, and dump appropriate quantities of currency. Do the same with the difference in theoretical cost whenever buying cheap expansions on the secondary account. Never let the total combination of slots go over the max number of slots on a single account.

-Never have more than 5 nests in use at any one time. (I don't think it's necessarily unethical to 'rent' your own nests for eye color, because it's BS that there's no actual safe/supported method for renting from other users. Just make sure you're letting one of your main nests be fallow that week, so you're not putting more total dragons into existence than you would be otherwise. Of course, if you do this, it's an obvious interaction between accounts that makes it more likely you'll get caught, but that's your own risk assessment to make.) Take whatever amount you'd ordinarily spend on rental fees and donate it to somebody in the target flight.

-Don't go in the flight forums for anything but your main account.

I think all that would reasonably mitigate economic advantage/impact on site performance, and if I were going to multi, these are the steps I'd follow because I'm a goody two-shoes like that. But that's a lot of extra work and calculation that would be required, which reinforces my point - it doesn't make sense to trust a random person who says they're totally not cheating when they multi.

What you and other posters seem to be talking about - fully exploiting the other accounts for dailies, discounts, etc, but just not funneling the rewards back to the main account - doesn't count as remotely ethical, IMO. You'd still be getting more perks than each individual user is supposed to get, even if they're not centralized.

Re: Multi-ing for the aesthetic

[(Anonymous)]

FR just needs to do the side accounts like Lioden does, tbh.