im not arguing about water's placement stats, those are undeniable. i just think its a bit contradictory to say water is organized and data-driven, then right after say the orgs are too "chill" to care about basic metrics or events. it just comes across as weirdly defensive in a thread about how fire's dom leads arent doing the bare minimum. other strong dom flights like light and plague are able to consistently organize events and track metrics, on a monthly or bi-monthly schedule.