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anonrerising2022-08-02 07:34 pm
mindlessflight) wrote in anonrerising2022-08-02 07:34 pm
For sure they're not the only one in that thread that was being confrontational, but their vibes came off the worst to me. ymmv
even speaking as someone who's semi-regular in the suggestions forum, i'm not touching that thread with a ten-foot pole.
the latest page has managed to become about whether or not primal eyes should be censored??? not a mention of spiders or even specific phobias in sight; just "the general notion of censoring anything, ever" -> "now we're talking about primal eyes again."
the latest page has managed to become about whether or not primal eyes should be censored??? not a mention of spiders or even specific phobias in sight; just "the general notion of censoring anything, ever" -> "now we're talking about primal eyes again."
That sounds like the player that deliberately changed their profile to a plague primal in a discussion of people having issues with it.
That would be Crowbar.
They're 10000000% a petty, nasty, confrontational antagonistic asshole, and then they have the gall to be all "idk why so many people have me blocked??"
They're 10000000% a petty, nasty, confrontational antagonistic asshole, and then they have the gall to be all "idk why so many people have me blocked??"
https://web.archive.org/web/20220817214330/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gend/3161977
(Anonymous) 2022-08-17 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)Crying and sobbing at both the post itself and it being locked with no responses.
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(Anonymous) 2022-08-17 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)Because no one wants that discussion. No one.
Ex-ember here! I left Fire a few weeks ago. Here's what I know and some other things I heard from a friend who stayed in Fire a little longer than I did.
To start off, Fire runs the same few events with very low incentive prizes for a profit push every month. People have suggested other events and provided high incentive prizes out of their own hoard for those events if they were to run. Sure, they would be losing money, but it would be fun for participants and good for the bank (possibly). One of those people suggested an event that the dom leads did not end up running. Instead, they ran it as their own separate idea but 'simplified'.
The bank also doesn't share what's actually in the bank. One of the leads said that it could be leaked if they were to share. When I was still in Fire, I had zero clue what was actually in the bank besides 200kg in funds. I'm not sure how it is now though. I also heard that when that bank holder got banned years ago, one person replaced all the missing funds from their own hoard. I also heard that the same person replaced all of the OOFR prizes in 2017 when someone ran off with all of the prizes. That exact person also would provide tons of currency to the bank whenever they ran low during conquests. They left Fire now so...
I don't know about Fire Discord toxicity because I spent a lot of time inactive on the original server. I do know that when an active member got banned from the server from an argument with a dom lead in a channel over the bank itself. The gist of it was that they wanted to know what was in the bank, dom lead said no, they said they wanted a refund for their items. Dom lead couldn't tell them where the sprite collection they donated went, dom lead pulled the 'what if I left with everything' card. That person was the one that replaced the lost bank funds when the bank got banned and replaced an entire OOFR so they said they could handle it if the dom lead did quit. They got banned and the chat log was deleted. Afterwards, some people asked where that person went and why they left the server. I do believe that one of the dom leads said something along the lines of 'they just left it's not that deep' though.
From what I've seen, embers are extremely willing to do dom. It's just the dom leads that don't. In the last push I was in, the event that was running was the 'simplified' one mentioned before. It's similar to a house cup except it's in 4 teams with no OOF help. One member managed to completely steamroll the competition with I believe 18k levels? The next highest was 12k or 8k, I don't remember. That one is the one that shared a few details in a SMR post's replies. Embers can and will absolutely participate in dom, the leads just have to run an event to motivate players to do things.
I do believe that Fire plans to bring new members into the Ashfall Alliance after Flameforger's, so we'll just have to wait and see if anything changes. It is true that all the top exalters have left Fire already, the major funder and the 18k levels exalter included, with little or no plans to return.
TLDR; top exalters did leave, Fire dom scene is dead due to leads hosting the same 3 events every profit push, bank isn't very transparent either.
To start off, Fire runs the same few events with very low incentive prizes for a profit push every month. People have suggested other events and provided high incentive prizes out of their own hoard for those events if they were to run. Sure, they would be losing money, but it would be fun for participants and good for the bank (possibly). One of those people suggested an event that the dom leads did not end up running. Instead, they ran it as their own separate idea but 'simplified'.
The bank also doesn't share what's actually in the bank. One of the leads said that it could be leaked if they were to share. When I was still in Fire, I had zero clue what was actually in the bank besides 200kg in funds. I'm not sure how it is now though. I also heard that when that bank holder got banned years ago, one person replaced all the missing funds from their own hoard. I also heard that the same person replaced all of the OOFR prizes in 2017 when someone ran off with all of the prizes. That exact person also would provide tons of currency to the bank whenever they ran low during conquests. They left Fire now so...
I don't know about Fire Discord toxicity because I spent a lot of time inactive on the original server. I do know that when an active member got banned from the server from an argument with a dom lead in a channel over the bank itself. The gist of it was that they wanted to know what was in the bank, dom lead said no, they said they wanted a refund for their items. Dom lead couldn't tell them where the sprite collection they donated went, dom lead pulled the 'what if I left with everything' card. That person was the one that replaced the lost bank funds when the bank got banned and replaced an entire OOFR so they said they could handle it if the dom lead did quit. They got banned and the chat log was deleted. Afterwards, some people asked where that person went and why they left the server. I do believe that one of the dom leads said something along the lines of 'they just left it's not that deep' though.
From what I've seen, embers are extremely willing to do dom. It's just the dom leads that don't. In the last push I was in, the event that was running was the 'simplified' one mentioned before. It's similar to a house cup except it's in 4 teams with no OOF help. One member managed to completely steamroll the competition with I believe 18k levels? The next highest was 12k or 8k, I don't remember. That one is the one that shared a few details in a SMR post's replies. Embers can and will absolutely participate in dom, the leads just have to run an event to motivate players to do things.
I do believe that Fire plans to bring new members into the Ashfall Alliance after Flameforger's, so we'll just have to wait and see if anything changes. It is true that all the top exalters have left Fire already, the major funder and the 18k levels exalter included, with little or no plans to return.
TLDR; top exalters did leave, Fire dom scene is dead due to leads hosting the same 3 events every profit push, bank isn't very transparent either.
AA rude to users. Get defensive when anyone asks questions. Saw weird convo between friendly user and AA one night. Next day user not there anymore and the convo was gone. user left fire too. saw LOADS of fire members who do DOM more than me change flights. Thought it was weird. Not surprised. asked AA once if they needed any help and was told that everything was handled unless I wanted to donate art. AA wanted a lot of art for FF for free this week. if it was more than a week away I would have done it but it's a week out and I have commissions cant help.
Fire was going to do a dom push on mothers day. They thought it would be fun to challenge shadow for it until the drama started and they turned it around and said that it was an accident and they hadn't known that shadow was even pushing which was stupid. I remembered the dom team talking about it would be fun to fight shadow and I scrolled up through the discord to find the message again and I couldn't find almost any of it? I think the AA members like to delete messages that make them look bad.
lmao there can't be tea where there isn't a dom effort havent gotten any pings for prep for ff other than for fodderart. don't be surprised if it is just a buy thread with low, low, low prices. i think the aa is going to treat ff like a profit push with a fodder art and then throw shade if they can't get on top of earth, plague, light, lightning, water, ice or whoever else is up against them. I feel like plague is trying to get double dom JUST to make sure they don't get dom next week. Earth/light/plague/lightning are always just existing at the top so I would bet that the AA says 'oh no we need to blitz hard to get on top of earth/light/plague/lightning! they're pushing just to be a jerk!'
I am sitting in the fire discord WAITING for that tea to spill.
I am sitting in the fire discord WAITING for that tea to spill.
... no, plague wanted to do a double dom push just to see if we could, coincidentally it happened to be close to fire's fest push because it was one of the only few available weeks at the time it was booked, iirc. that was the weirdest take I've seen about our double dom push so far lol
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(Anonymous) 2022-08-18 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)Important as it is FR is not the time or the place for that.
since when is lightning in the same league as earth/light/plague tho lol
Do people not just adblock the items that make them uncomfortable? I have a centipede phobia but I've had those items adblocked for like 7 years at this point, and I had kinda assumed everyone just did that with the items that activated their phobias.
(Not trying to point fingers or blame or anything -- I'm literally just curious because I thought it was common practice/prevalent, but now I'm wondering if it's not.)
(Not trying to point fingers or blame or anything -- I'm literally just curious because I thought it was common practice/prevalent, but now I'm wondering if it's not.)
I use adblock, but the issue is that not everyone can.
Some people use browsers that don't have a good blocking addon (probably mainly various mobile ones), some people use things like school or shared computers where they do not have permission to download things to the computer, some use multiple devices which means they have to do a lot of extra work to make sure they have everything blocked on all devices, and so on.
Plus, with things like FR, there are some things that can't be blocked. I have the spider items icons and familiars blocked, but I can't block coliseum enemies. I cannot block spider apparel should we get it. If we get a spider gene (orb/weaver? sort of makes me nervous, not so much the actual design but just the names :P) that makes it look like the dragon has spiders all over it or adds extra legs or something, I can't block that.
Having the blocking be FR side rather than Player side means that all those go away, and makes it so everyone can use it, even if they can't use third party software.
Some people use browsers that don't have a good blocking addon (probably mainly various mobile ones), some people use things like school or shared computers where they do not have permission to download things to the computer, some use multiple devices which means they have to do a lot of extra work to make sure they have everything blocked on all devices, and so on.
Plus, with things like FR, there are some things that can't be blocked. I have the spider items icons and familiars blocked, but I can't block coliseum enemies. I cannot block spider apparel should we get it. If we get a spider gene (orb/weaver? sort of makes me nervous, not so much the actual design but just the names :P) that makes it look like the dragon has spiders all over it or adds extra legs or something, I can't block that.
Having the blocking be FR side rather than Player side means that all those go away, and makes it so everyone can use it, even if they can't use third party software.
I think it's more that Fire is just not prepared enough to fight any of the regular exalting flights for dom. Last time they did an organized push, they lost to Earth/Light and Lightning who were just doing the usual exalting. I left fire after that. I NEED discounts to expand my lair.
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(Anonymous) 2022-08-18 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)I can’t believe they asked about being a mod and then do stuff like this.
mm fair enough, though they said "Earth/light/plague/lightning are always just existing at the top" and i was like ummm one of these things is not like the others 😅
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(Anonymous) 2022-08-18 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)How to make sure you're never given mod status.
if what youre saying about fire's bank is true, thats fucking obscene. lightning got some well-deserved flak last year for its shitty bank spreadsheet not filling in records, but not having ANYTHING accessible by the flight is an entirely different level of terrible. i cannot fathom having even a sliver of trust in a dom bank that has quite literally no transparency.
Ahh, I hadn't really thought about mobile/shared computers, nor items that can't be blocked (I haven't looked at apparel or genes in years so I kinda forgot they could be a source of a problem lol -- guess that's my out of touch moment for the day).
And yeah, don't get me wrong; I'd personally like to see an on-site option. I was just mostly surprised by the number of people who seemed to be really struggling when it's been a workaround-solved issue to me for years (just like how iirc there were some browser plugins to solve color-blind issues at one point many years ago, though I don't know if they've been maintained). As I said, I wasn't pointing fingers or blaming, I was really just curious.
And yeah, don't get me wrong; I'd personally like to see an on-site option. I was just mostly surprised by the number of people who seemed to be really struggling when it's been a workaround-solved issue to me for years (just like how iirc there were some browser plugins to solve color-blind issues at one point many years ago, though I don't know if they've been maintained). As I said, I wasn't pointing fingers or blaming, I was really just curious.
Re: https://web.archive.org/web/20220817214330/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gend/3161977
(Anonymous) 2022-08-18 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)Could be an attempt at the opposite. I could totally see a 13-year-old version of myself making an environmental PSA to try and seem more responsible and conscientious to the mods of a site I was on. Obviously in reality it has the exact opposite effect in breaking the rules, but I can definitely see how a kid could think it the other way around.
Re: https://web.archive.org/web/20220817214330/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gend/3161977
(Anonymous) 2022-08-18 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)I'm betting this is it. They talk about still being in grade school, so they're a kid doing what they think sounds grown up and responsible. The whole post screams "well intentioned but naive"
https://prnt.sc/Ck4M7oE9ilhH So I was an ember, I went to check the bank because I thought no they would totally have transparency. There are 3,495 lines on the bank sheet that we can't explore, not even by trying to make a copy of the sheet. It's protected to prevent a copy from being made. I just left to go check out another flight and the bank sheet is messy but it even includes items. Fire bank sheet does not. No items are shown.
Fire has a shopping cart for coliseum bosses, battle stones, eggs, treasure/gem marketplace items and other shit that gets updated once a month with new requests. There is no tracking for where those items go. I tried to figure out where the soft pink silk set I sent in went and I couldn't.
Fire has a shopping cart for coliseum bosses, battle stones, eggs, treasure/gem marketplace items and other shit that gets updated once a month with new requests. There is no tracking for where those items go. I tried to figure out where the soft pink silk set I sent in went and I couldn't.
They've also had quite a lot of help. I recall donating a KS item at one point which I *think* was to help recover after losing the bank (and I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one, though I could be wrong), but that was like 4 years ago now so I don't really remember clearly.
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