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anonrerising2022-08-02 07:34 pm
mindlessflight) wrote in anonrerising2022-08-02 07:34 pm
Considering SMR posted and has left up a post claiming a now deleted DR post about a friend of mine asking for them to be publicly executed was nothing but the truth and said friend whined like a bitch to get it taken down?
SMR needs to get over themselves.
SMR needs to get over themselves.
"SMR users go one week without wild fearmongering based on info sourced directly from the depths of someone's ass" challenge (impossible difficulty)
I skimmed the comm again and they're collectively losing their shit and purposely (?) missing the point of our now resolved thread, so there's really no helping them.
Considering making a SMR Wank Thread a new permanent thing on our posts lol.
(Especially since 90% of them are probably too young to have ever known LJ, hence why they can't even navigate ARR)
Considering making a SMR Wank Thread a new permanent thing on our posts lol.
(Especially since 90% of them are probably too young to have ever known LJ, hence why they can't even navigate ARR)
Edited 2022-09-01 22:52 (UTC)
If SMR isn't influencing the vibes, that just makes it even weirder that you sailed in with an accusation of doxxing and then wrung your hands about what if the comm were taken down over accusations of doxxing.
eh, i dont personally think it would be a good idea to give them more attention that way. SMR is pretty shitty in terms of how it handles discourse but i feel like having a dedicated thread to SMR drama would just incentivize pulling more annoying stuff here. if something really is the cream of the crop it'll end up here anyways.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We've already had this conversation, feel free to read the thread.
We've already had this conversation, feel free to read the thread.
Yeah I'm mostly joking. It's been a Day.
thats what drove me out of SMR a while ago, that and the holier-than-thou attitude the regulars have there
A few of them are ex-catholics (by their own admission, oversharing in fr drama replies lol) but don't realize they still have the same mannerisms and principles they condemn. It's always "good or bad" thinking with no nuance, always trying to make problems out of nothing to crusade about. I think many SMR regulars take the drama too seriously when most of the time it's a circus sideshow not a legal trial.
Yeah I had that. I tried reporting veyo when I had evidence of them hyper fixating/stalking other users even onto places like facebook and the staff initially ignored my report, but when I pressed them said they couldn't take action against offsite stuff. Maybe it's their policy but if someone is stalking people they find on flight rising, aren't they at least a bit responsible? They are a notorious whale though so maybe they don't wanna ban such a big spender.
No, they're not liable for anything that isn't on their own website. If you link things like call outs onsite, that will do it, otherwise the standard of pretty much any site is "You have to talk to the staff of the website where proof of a problem exists."
Reading the thread was how I noticed it was weird that you started off with an accusation and even weirder that you then turned around and worried about accusations. You could stand to be a little more honest with yourself about how much SMR is affecting your moderation. Proposing a whole thread for them now? Come on.
the way they're going about the whole FB shit, I'm convicted they've been waiting for something like this to happen lol
They can't verify anything that happens offsite.
You can say that Veyo was stalking other users on other sites, and give them screenshots, but they cannot verify that those screenshots weren't faked as they don't have access to edit histories.
Nor can they know the context behind it, ie whether it is something that the people in question are having 'fun' with, because again, they don't have access to tools to see whether this is a pattern or a one off, or anything.
They also cannot verify that the Veyo on Facebook is actually the Veyo on FR. I have seen instances of seeing the same username on different platforms and it being different people. Even fairly 'unique' UNs. So, you could have found (or created an account) on FB, and 'stalked' the people, and they would have no way of knowing whether it was Veyo, a random person, or someone with a vendetta against Veyo. Even if there is information on the profile with Veyo's FR UN and ID, it still isn't conclusive proof. I could put my sister's UN and ID on my FB, but it doesn't mean that I am my sister, just that I know her UN and ID.
In addition, opening up 'we will take action based upon offsite behavior' this means that they will have to start trying to 'chase down' offsite history when it is presented. IE, in order to see if that stalking behavior was actually stalking and not someone with a grudge against Veyo, they would need to delve into the account's public history and chase down leads to other sites, all of which can be hard due to privacy settings.
For action that happens on FR, privacy settings don't matter. They can see your profile, and have access to edit histories of posts, and see deleted comments, as well as most likely have access to your PMs, no matter what your settings on FR are (which right now we don't have much :P)
It is a sad reality of being on multiple sites. I know of very few sites that will want to take action based upon activity on other sites, for the reasons above. Each site has access to tools that can help them track down and get the truth about activity on their own site, but they do not have access to those tools on other sites, which makes it difficult to verify both identity and actions.
You can say that Veyo was stalking other users on other sites, and give them screenshots, but they cannot verify that those screenshots weren't faked as they don't have access to edit histories.
Nor can they know the context behind it, ie whether it is something that the people in question are having 'fun' with, because again, they don't have access to tools to see whether this is a pattern or a one off, or anything.
They also cannot verify that the Veyo on Facebook is actually the Veyo on FR. I have seen instances of seeing the same username on different platforms and it being different people. Even fairly 'unique' UNs. So, you could have found (or created an account) on FB, and 'stalked' the people, and they would have no way of knowing whether it was Veyo, a random person, or someone with a vendetta against Veyo. Even if there is information on the profile with Veyo's FR UN and ID, it still isn't conclusive proof. I could put my sister's UN and ID on my FB, but it doesn't mean that I am my sister, just that I know her UN and ID.
In addition, opening up 'we will take action based upon offsite behavior' this means that they will have to start trying to 'chase down' offsite history when it is presented. IE, in order to see if that stalking behavior was actually stalking and not someone with a grudge against Veyo, they would need to delve into the account's public history and chase down leads to other sites, all of which can be hard due to privacy settings.
For action that happens on FR, privacy settings don't matter. They can see your profile, and have access to edit histories of posts, and see deleted comments, as well as most likely have access to your PMs, no matter what your settings on FR are (which right now we don't have much :P)
It is a sad reality of being on multiple sites. I know of very few sites that will want to take action based upon activity on other sites, for the reasons above. Each site has access to tools that can help them track down and get the truth about activity on their own site, but they do not have access to those tools on other sites, which makes it difficult to verify both identity and actions.
They're paranoid idiots that don't remember the lj era so a threaded discussion platform is alien to them.
And because we can use it, we must be amazing hackers. *Facepalm*
And because we can use it, we must be amazing hackers. *Facepalm*
Ex Catholics are the woooorst
It is kind of obvious Mindless is joking about it, for a multitude of reasons.
On the other hand it is quite tiresome we're constantly being compared to 4chan and kiwifarms by the nitwits on SMR. It's literally a "Tell me you haven't been on either of those sites without telling me you haven't been on either of those sites".
Also we did have someone who literally posted someones LinkedIn profile not too long ago, so without context as to where OP got the image from it is safe to assume someone decided to dig through the web for info, more so than assuming they got them in a public space.
On the other hand it is quite tiresome we're constantly being compared to 4chan and kiwifarms by the nitwits on SMR. It's literally a "Tell me you haven't been on either of those sites without telling me you haven't been on either of those sites".
Also we did have someone who literally posted someones LinkedIn profile not too long ago, so without context as to where OP got the image from it is safe to assume someone decided to dig through the web for info, more so than assuming they got them in a public space.
It is not the least bit obvious, and if Mindless was really trying to make a joke then I strongly advise them to not attempt such jokes while moderating. That's just asking for trouble, especially when talking about a serious subject like doxxing.
I get that some people have been crappy before. A moderator's job is to be better than that.
I get that some people have been crappy before. A moderator's job is to be better than that.
Bah, I think you're too serious nonnie.
SMR is dumb, harmless, but most importantly, boring. Sure, their "wholesome drama" schtick is annoying, and one could argue that if this place put a permanent thread on them the regulars would feel attacked, which depending on how much you want to see the world burn, could be fun to you.
But you are conflating Doxing, and how serious it is (don't mind that is also a nuke for communities here), with the mods and the meme of SMR (I bet most of the regulars here also use it).
SMR is dumb, harmless, but most importantly, boring. Sure, their "wholesome drama" schtick is annoying, and one could argue that if this place put a permanent thread on them the regulars would feel attacked, which depending on how much you want to see the world burn, could be fun to you.
But you are conflating Doxing, and how serious it is (don't mind that is also a nuke for communities here), with the mods and the meme of SMR (I bet most of the regulars here also use it).
As the anon who brought this up to begin with, I think you need to lighten up lol. Mindless mod already admitted to coming at it the wrong way. Whether they take it to heart or not remains to be seen, but beating this dead horse isn't gonna change that it happened and I don't think we have any reason to assume the worst. Making a joke about a SMR thread that went over your head doesn't make them a bad mod.
ugh god, we got a moderator manager over here
"The Battlelisk familiars from Warrior's Way have had their blades removed from their legs, as this positioning too closely referenced a blood sport that abuses roosters."
I can see the reasoning, but I really wish they had found a way to repurpose the blade rather than removing it entirely, since as it is the new battlelisks have literally no Warrior's Way theming over regular basilisks unless you count the tiny masks :/
I can see the reasoning, but I really wish they had found a way to repurpose the blade rather than removing it entirely, since as it is the new battlelisks have literally no Warrior's Way theming over regular basilisks unless you count the tiny masks :/
I think the reasoning is rather silly. Let's have an entire event themed around battling (clearly referencing that last year's champion was killed), with knives and weapons. But a familiar that vaguely resembles real blood sport? No that's too much.
Better retire the battlemares as well, since it's referencing cavalry horses. Dragging horses into human wars isn't animal welfare either.
Better retire the battlemares as well, since it's referencing cavalry horses. Dragging horses into human wars isn't animal welfare either.
Sometimes I really am unsure what exactly FR staff really want to take the direction of some things. I feel like the staff wants to have some slightly rough violence ideas in the game, but either a combination of the players or maybe their rating that is actively restricting them.
And what’s wrong with a historical reference to things? Players get to learn more stuff from history and understand what makes it bad. Jeez
And what’s wrong with a historical reference to things? Players get to learn more stuff from history and understand what makes it bad. Jeez
in this case its the players. there were multiple complaints / discourse Moments about how the battlelisks resemble cockfighting and how its offensive. not sure why this specific one is suddenly worse than the other historically accurate references to violence. i definitely feel that some of it is people concern trolling because they're mad about UMA gore/blood rules and want to force the staff to be more PG.
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