Unpopular opinion: UMAs should be subject to the same community perception as dragons -- once it's not in your lair hoard anymore, you lose control of it. If I never put it on a dragon? not your problem. If I eventually throw it on the AH for more than I bought it for? not your problem. If I make a meme dragon named DARGuN and put your accent on it and it's a whole stupid thing that becomes a meme in FRD because of course it does FRD gobbles that stupid shit up? not your problem.
But instead, accent reselling is this Big Villainous Thing. (And I'm not even talking just people who hoard slots on limited-print accents, that I get being annoying -- I'm talking about more general reselling than just that niche specific where it actually is a problem, but is one created almost entirely by the artist in question.)
It's been a while since the incident I'm about to rant about because on the off-chance the artist visits this community, I didn't want to make drama around them specifically, but like. I've been listing old accents I'm never going to use again on the AH for generic high prices because there are hundreds of them and I really can not be bothered to hunt down the shops for 200+ different artists, many of whom won't have easy-to-find threads or easy-to-find reselling rules. And many more of whom aren't even on the site anymore since it's a collection dating back as long as 5+ years ago. So yeah, I just list them all for generic high prices, then slowly over the months I have them listed, drop the prices by small increments until they hit the sweet spot where a buyer is like, "Yeah, I'll take that for that price."
And over the last roughly-a-year I've been doing that, I've gotten more than one artist PMing me and being offended that I'm reselling for higher than purchase price. (Usually polite, which is why I'm not gonna drag anyone into drama since I don't remember everyone nor remember who was and wasn't polite.) And my response to them is always the same -- if they can prove via wayback machine that the reselling rule (if they even have one, some don't even at time of messaging me..) was in place at the time of purchase (or earlier, usually I assume earlier), then I'll be happy to resell directly to the artist for purchase price.
But otherwise... Artists, you know how to cut down on reselling? Reprint it and list it yourself for the normal price. If you have such a problem with me reselling it, just list copies below my asking price and no one's gonna buy mine, but you'll get extra money and sales. It's really not a big deal. Hell, it's win-win -- you get more money, I get to not have to deal with dealing with people (which is why I'm mass AH listing rather than putting the effort into an ibaz thread).
And if you're running limited printings so you can't just reprint it -- congratulations, that's exactly why your accents are probably resold fairly frequently. Consider making them not limited. Yeah, you'll lose a few sales from resale-only-buyers and from people who would've otherwise fallen prey to F.O.M.O., but overall, your money will increase from just having extra copies out there in the market that there's apparently demand for. (And you'll get to circumvent the problem of people """stealing""" spots for resale, which I honestly personally dislike, but do think people give too much of a stink-eye to on the whole.)
tl;dr because I know some nonny is just gonna whine otherwise: Accent-selling should be just like fodder selling -- once it's not yours, you don't get to dictate what happens to it. Also, as an artist, you have complete control to "solve" reselling by just reprinting and listing your own accents.
You're mad because you have a lot of UMAs on the AH that aren't selling because people block you for being a chronic reseller like Snowpea, aren't you?
Nope. I very rarely encounter people who block me, and I've never seen my username come up in reselling contexts. (I admit I also don't seek out said contexts, but the only drama I've ever seen about myself was unrelated to skins and accents at all and also years ago since I'm fairly quiet on-site.)
It's more that I find it a bit strange and inconsistent that the community, over time, has very much adopted the "once out of your lair, you have no control" perspective on dragons, but reselling is still very vilified when it's 100% fixable by the artist. When it's brought up, very few people reply with "just print more?" like they do with "just name your fodder before you sell it?"
I find that inconsistency a little baffling, and hoped to bring some attention to it and hopefully stop having to deal with periodic artist PMs when it really is solvable on their end by just undercutting me.
I'm not mad in any respect (at least, not in the 'angry' sense, since there's an argument to be made that we're all a little bit mad for playing on FR with the way the admins treat the site). Frankly, I don't give a shit whether or not my accents sell -- I'm happy to keep just spam relisting for the next couple of years since the AH supports that pretty easily. ironically it's more effort to try and individually tailor prices on a UMA-by-UMA basis, and drop those to match artist prices than it is to just keep relisting at a generic price above purchase price for months.
I agree with the below anon- once an accent is approved, an auto reprint with payment would help with this a great deal.
I still disagree though, that resellers do make a huge profit off artists by taking advantage of limited runs or artists taking breaks, etc, and folks who buy just to resell are assholes.
This is part of why I think we need the auto reprint option, a storefront where sellers can just place their accents that have prior approval and be taken out of the delivery process between them and buyers. Convenient and just prints money the way popular umas do.
i agree. imo it's your right to do this... and the accent artist's right to block you and ban you from buying from them again if you break their rules and scalp their stuff. same as it's the right of a fodder seller to block you if you name their dragon StinkyFeet before you exalt it.
Yeah, IDK if I buy OP's story. Lots of accent makers personally come into their pms to ask them not to scalp but they never get blocked? Doesn't sound like the community I know.
First of all, I didn't say "lots of." I said "more than one" -- I can't remember whether it's been two or three artists, but the intended implication was that it wasn't an isolated, single-user incident, not to imply that it was a super frequent thing. I wouldn't consider 2-3 over 12 months to be "lots of," though YMMV.
Secondly, I didn't say I never got blocked. I said, "I very rarely encounter people who block me, and I've never seen my username come up in reselling contexts. (I admit I also don't seek out said contexts, but the only drama I've ever seen about myself was unrelated to skins and accents at all and also years ago since I'm fairly quiet on-site.)"
Which is true. The only drama I'm aware of/recall about me was years-old raffle drama around one of Fire's OOF raffles (which makes it somewhere between 2 and 4 years ago now, on the original dramarising before it got shuttered). I thiiiink there was one other thing on the original AR once, but I honestly don't remember what it was, though I'm quite sure it wasn't reselling-related as Ionly started selling my collection a year ago. So it is true to say that I've never seen my username come up once in reselling contexts. However, as I stated there, I also don't seek out reselling-specific contexts. I'm not in the GASP discord (assuming there is one), I'm inactive in the G1 hell discord, and I don't follow DramaRising or whatever replaced it (or whatever equivalents there are outside of ARR). So it's not impossible that someone somewhere has made a callout and blocked me, but I certainly haven't seen it, which is exactly what I said in the post.
But, as I said in another comment on this thread, anyone can feel free to block me if doing so would make them more comfortable: That said, anyone who wants to block me (you won't be losing sales; I haven't purchased an accent in basically a year now, and have zero plans to do so at any point in the future ever again) for the sake of their conscience can feel free to do so at Alestrius #56899. Do me a favour though; if you're going to block me, please let me know who you are so it can be two-way. I prefer to have mutual blockings going on whenever possible so that people can't get cold feet. :p
Frankly, I'm totally okay with people blocking me to ban me from buying from them in future -- though I would ask that you let me know so I can make it a mutual block (and have included info to do so at the end of the post). That said, I wouldn't consider my particular mark-ups to be 'scalping' prices. Some stats more because I was curious than because I thought anyone would give a shit: Of the 298 total UMAs I'm currently selling (disregarding fest stuff), 7 (2.3%) are priced >1kg, with a maximum price of 2500g. (Mostly super-popular artists that do limited print runs, customs, skincents, or a mix thereof.) 239 (80.2%) are priced at 1kg (vast majority of accents/skincents) 1 (0.3%) is priced at 850g (single-print custom I made for myself with very niche appeal) 4 (1.3%) are priced at 750g (4-5 year old stuff that I know for a fact got mass-printed) 47 (15.7%) are priced at or below 500g (remaining copies of my own stuff, or old copies of accents from drama-involved users)
So a bit over 97% of the skins/accents/skincents I'm selling are 1kg or below. Considering the most common accent purchase price bracket is 500-800g, and the most common skincent/skin purchase price bracket is 850-1200g, that's barely a mark-up at all, let alone "scalper" prices (and some may even be being sold at a loss, depending on whether I purchased them from the artist/what they cost at the time, or whether I grabbed them off the AH instead of a proper shop which I've done quite a few times). Fair disclosure: I originally started most of the current 1kgs at 1500g a year ago (and about half of the original number has sold at those prices), slowly lowering it over the course of a year to 1kg, but tbh, I think that's a fairly reasonable price range and slow-lowering. And again, any artist that doesn't want their work selling at those prices is very welcome to do a reprint and undercut me. I quite literally encourage it.
The problem with "oh, just look up each individual artist, find their shop, and then obey their rules!!" is that when you have UMA collections numbering 600+, as with my original collection before I started selling, it's just impractical to check the rules of over 200+ different artists, many of whom have ' a) left the site b) closed their shops c) changed their username without updating the item tooltip d) not made their shops easily found from their profiles e) have wildly differing prices and policies even among their own work (e.g. they may have a retired set where resale is allowed but also nonretired which cost half as much but can't be resold, but also they then have limited-print recolours and if that exists then you can resell only on every third Tuesday for a 160% mark-up or less) f) any mix of the above combined Maybe you remember one or two from being a very frequent return buyer, but even then, you may not directly remember the exact rules. So as a whole, it's just easier to bulk list at a default price and slowly lower as time goes on, rather than spend lord-knows-how-many hours hunting down 200+ shops, many of which don't even exist because the user is inactive/quit, the user never made a forum shop and sells exclusively through the AH, or which may or may not apply depending on how you view purchasing from a third party instead of that user. (e.g. if you buy from or trade with another user, are you still ""bound"" by the original rules you never saw?).
That said, anyone who wants to block me (you won't be losing sales; I haven't purchased an accent in basically a year now, and have zero plans to do so at any point in the future ever again) for the sake of their conscience can feel free to do so at Alestrius #56899. Do me a favour though; if you're going to block me, please let me know who you are so it can be two-way. I prefer to have mutual blockings going on whenever possible so that people can't get cold feet. :p
oh no, don't get me wrong- i don't give enough of a shit to block you, not to mention i'm an accent purchaser myself, not an artist. i literally could not care less about you and you don't need to explain your sob story to me in a drama community.
i am on the opposite end of the spectrum from you. i personally never sell my accents at all, presumably because i have hoarding tendencies- but they're better being used to hoard pretty pixels on a dragon game than on real life. that's my right. it's your right to sell your shit. some people may be mad at me for keeping limited runs and not using them (yet i swear), some people may be mad at you for reselling for a profit. neither of us is more 'correct' than the other. and that's what we call bipartisanship :)
oh huh, I never realized this could be an issue. I am a pretty casual accent maker but I make it clear in my thread that once the accent/skin leaves my inventory I have no control over it and you can do whatever you want because it's no longer on my account. I do chuckle when I see someone else selling an accent of mine though, it's like being surprised to see an old friend in the AH of all places lol
accent maker here who had people come to their face and lie bold like "Yes i need 5 slots, for me and my 4 friends who don't want to be known in public but really exist" if you get blocked it's your fault rofl. accent reselling and scalping is so horrible on this website, it honestly makes me not want to interact with this community at all anymore and if it loses artists like that, then well deserved. the incredible amount of objectification I had to undergo through as well, it fucked me up years ago. talk to me again when you have to read chatlogs where people openly talk about just wanting your accents because your name means "a lot of money", not because they actually want to use them on their dragons.
sa knowing, and having to read, that people only want my stuff because I am a stepping stone to them making more money was horrible. for who am I working? people enjoying my art and wanting it on their dragons, or a couple asses reselling my accents for 2-5kg a piece tactically waited 3 months later?
Again, just to reiterate as I have a few times in this thread, I have zero problems with people blocking me (and as a bonus, you won't even lose future sales from it since I've got no plans to buy any accents ever again). I literally have encouraged that elsewhere in the thread if it'll give people peace of mind. I've also actively encouraged (as in the OP) people to undercut me and just sell their own copies.
If you don't want your accents resold, don't make them limited, and keep a copy or two (or a few more if it's in high demand at the time) on the AH at normal price after the initial printing. It really is that simple. There's no reseller market on things that aren't limited in quantity because it's not practical to sell an accent for profit if there's other copies of the exact same accent available for base price. Do that a few times and the resellers will avoid you because it's not a profitable market. Bam, problem solved, and as a win-win bonus, more people will get to use your art on their dragons (since you've implied that that's your goal in selling your accents).
maybe don't make art if you have a such a problem with this. on FR the item belongs to the person you sold it to, and then can do with it what they will. "the incredible amount of objectification" lmfao
I've personally never understood the limited runs, either. The limited runs are often priced higher from the get-go by the artist, and then retired. If I want one after initial slots or time has passed and an option of reprint doesn't exist, I'll take my money elsewhere - meaning I have to go to a reseller, and naturally, me wanting an accent that is no more printed ia raising demand, thus the value of an item.
If limited run has an option of sending blueprint + some gems, I'd go to the artist even at the markup, but most of then are shooting thenselves in the foot by refusing to print single copies. I understand the need to be truthful about there being exactly X copies, but then it's natural someone else is getting the profit after. It's exactly the same as limited run IRL figurines being resold for lots later.
I get cycled tho, why is THAT not the norm? Cycle your UMAs depending on date, season, pushes, battles, anything IRL that occurs yearly (or bi-yearly) and you solve the "perma slots taken ew" by making a pinglist that is NOT slotlist (so how hatchery pinglists work) and while you do lower FOMO, people will probably still want it now, rather than wait for next cycle. Do more cycles, best pf both worlds!
wait, its frowned upon to resell accents? I literally have 80 UMAs in my hoard and I only have 30 permas and they all already have accents/skins. I was planning on reselling but I guess not now :|
dude, just sell them, its like you brought a piece of art for your house and after some years you want something new or don't like it anymore so you sell it on ebay, will the artist come after you and yell? no.
just be courteous and don't buy things solemnly to resell, that's rude af in a way, letting old things cycle back into the market is alright instead of hoarding it, just asking metaphorical five billion gems for something the artist released merely a month ago is bullshit
people don't like resellers when they hog up as many slots as they can from limited print runs because they know they'll make bank reselling something that will be in limited supply, you're probably okay anon
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-05 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)lairhoard anymore, you lose control of it. If I never put it on a dragon? not your problem. If I eventually throw it on the AH for more than I bought it for? not your problem. If I make a meme dragon named DARGuN and put your accent on it and it's a whole stupid thing that becomes a meme in FRD because of course it does FRD gobbles that stupid shit up? not your problem.But instead, accent reselling is this Big Villainous Thing. (And I'm not even talking just people who hoard slots on limited-print accents, that I get being annoying -- I'm talking about more general reselling than just that niche specific where it actually is a problem, but is one created almost entirely by the artist in question.)
It's been a while since the incident I'm about to rant about because on the off-chance the artist visits this community, I didn't want to make drama around them specifically, but like. I've been listing old accents I'm never going to use again on the AH for generic high prices because there are hundreds of them and I really can not be bothered to hunt down the shops for 200+ different artists, many of whom won't have easy-to-find threads or easy-to-find reselling rules. And many more of whom aren't even on the site anymore since it's a collection dating back as long as 5+ years ago. So yeah, I just list them all for generic high prices, then slowly over the months I have them listed, drop the prices by small increments until they hit the sweet spot where a buyer is like, "Yeah, I'll take that for that price."
And over the last roughly-a-year I've been doing that, I've gotten more than one artist PMing me and being offended that I'm reselling for higher than purchase price. (Usually polite, which is why I'm not gonna drag anyone into drama since I don't remember everyone nor remember who was and wasn't polite.) And my response to them is always the same -- if they can prove via wayback machine that the reselling rule (if they even have one, some don't even at time of messaging me..) was in place at the time of purchase (or earlier, usually I assume earlier), then I'll be happy to resell directly to the artist for purchase price.
But otherwise... Artists, you know how to cut down on reselling? Reprint it and list it yourself for the normal price. If you have such a problem with me reselling it, just list copies below my asking price and no one's gonna buy mine, but you'll get extra money and sales. It's really not a big deal. Hell, it's win-win -- you get more money, I get to not have to deal with dealing with people (which is why I'm mass AH listing rather than putting the effort into an ibaz thread).
And if you're running limited printings so you can't just reprint it -- congratulations, that's exactly why your accents are probably resold fairly frequently. Consider making them not limited. Yeah, you'll lose a few sales from resale-only-buyers and from people who would've otherwise fallen prey to F.O.M.O., but overall, your money will increase from just having extra copies out there in the market that there's apparently demand for. (And you'll get to circumvent the problem of people """stealing""" spots for resale, which I honestly personally dislike, but do think people give too much of a stink-eye to on the whole.)
tl;dr because I know some nonny is just gonna whine otherwise:
Accent-selling should be just like fodder selling -- once it's not yours, you don't get to dictate what happens to it. Also, as an artist, you have complete control to "solve" reselling by just reprinting and listing your own accents.
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-05 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)Nope. I very rarely encounter people who block me, and I've never seen my username come up in reselling contexts. (I admit I also don't seek out said contexts, but the only drama I've ever seen about myself was unrelated to skins and accents at all and also years ago since I'm fairly quiet on-site.)
It's more that I find it a bit strange and inconsistent that the community, over time, has very much adopted the "once out of your lair, you have no control" perspective on dragons, but reselling is still very vilified when it's 100% fixable by the artist. When it's brought up, very few people reply with "just print more?" like they do with "just name your fodder before you sell it?"
I find that inconsistency a little baffling, and hoped to bring some attention to it
and hopefully stop having to deal with periodic artist PMs when it really is solvable on their end by just undercutting me.I'm not mad in any respect (at least, not in the 'angry' sense, since there's an argument to be made that we're all a little bit mad for playing on FR with the way the admins treat the site). Frankly, I don't give a shit whether or not my accents sell -- I'm happy to keep just spam relisting for the next couple of years since the AH supports that pretty easily.
ironically it's more effort to try and individually tailor prices on a UMA-by-UMA basis, and drop those to match artist prices than it is to just keep relisting at a generic price above purchase price for months.no subject
(Anonymous) 2021-04-05 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)Sorry about the salt, the rant came off that way.
I agree with the below anon- once an accent is approved, an auto reprint with payment would help with this a great deal.
I still disagree though, that resellers do make a huge profit off artists by taking advantage of limited runs or artists taking breaks, etc, and folks who buy just to resell are assholes.
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-05 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)Hell, it'd probably make the site money too via increased gem sales.
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 01:41 am (UTC)(link)If I want to throw an accent copy I bought up for 1 gem or a million... That's my right.
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 04:28 am (UTC)(link)First of all, I didn't say "lots of." I said "more than one" -- I can't remember whether it's been two or three artists, but the intended implication was that it wasn't an isolated, single-user incident, not to imply that it was a super frequent thing. I wouldn't consider 2-3 over 12 months to be "lots of," though YMMV.
Secondly, I didn't say I never got blocked. I said, "I very rarely encounter people who block me, and I've never seen my username come up in reselling contexts. (I admit I also don't seek out said contexts, but the only drama I've ever seen about myself was unrelated to skins and accents at all and also years ago since I'm fairly quiet on-site.)"
Which is true. The only drama I'm aware of/recall about me was years-old raffle drama around one of Fire's OOF raffles (which makes it somewhere between 2 and 4 years ago now, on the original dramarising before it got shuttered). I thiiiink there was one other thing on the original AR once, but I honestly don't remember what it was, though I'm quite sure it wasn't reselling-related as Ionly started selling my collection a year ago. So it is true to say that I've never seen my username come up once in reselling contexts. However, as I stated there, I also don't seek out reselling-specific contexts. I'm not in the GASP discord (assuming there is one), I'm inactive in the G1 hell discord, and I don't follow DramaRising or whatever replaced it (or whatever equivalents there are outside of ARR). So it's not impossible that someone somewhere has made a callout and blocked me, but I certainly haven't seen it, which is exactly what I said in the post.
But, as I said in another comment on this thread, anyone can feel free to block me if doing so would make them more comfortable:
That said, anyone who wants to block me (you won't be losing sales; I haven't purchased an accent in basically a year now, and have zero plans to do so at any point in the future ever again) for the sake of their conscience can feel free to do so at Alestrius #56899. Do me a favour though; if you're going to block me, please let me know who you are so it can be two-way. I prefer to have mutual blockings going on whenever possible so that people can't get cold feet. :p
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 04:16 am (UTC)(link)more because I was curious than because I thought anyone would give a shit:Of the 298 total UMAs I'm currently selling (disregarding fest stuff),
7 (2.3%) are priced >1kg, with a maximum price of 2500g. (Mostly super-popular artists that do limited print runs, customs, skincents, or a mix thereof.)
239 (80.2%) are priced at 1kg (vast majority of accents/skincents)
1 (0.3%) is priced at 850g (single-print custom I made for myself with very niche appeal)
4 (1.3%) are priced at 750g (4-5 year old stuff that I know for a fact got mass-printed)
47 (15.7%) are priced at or below 500g (remaining copies of my own stuff, or old copies of accents from drama-involved users)
So a bit over 97% of the skins/accents/skincents I'm selling are 1kg or below. Considering the most common accent purchase price bracket is 500-800g, and the most common skincent/skin purchase price bracket is 850-1200g, that's barely a mark-up at all, let alone "scalper" prices (and some may even be being sold at a loss, depending on whether I purchased them from the artist/what they cost at the time, or whether I grabbed them off the AH instead of a proper shop which I've done quite a few times). Fair disclosure: I originally started most of the current 1kgs at 1500g a year ago (and about half of the original number has sold at those prices), slowly lowering it over the course of a year to 1kg, but tbh, I think that's a fairly reasonable price range and slow-lowering. And again, any artist that doesn't want their work selling at those prices is very welcome to do a reprint and undercut me. I quite literally encourage it.
The problem with "oh, just look up each individual artist, find their shop, and then obey their rules!!" is that when you have UMA collections numbering 600+, as with my original collection before I started selling, it's just impractical to check the rules of over 200+ different artists, many of whom have '
a) left the site
b) closed their shops
c) changed their username without updating the item tooltip
d) not made their shops easily found from their profiles
e) have wildly differing prices and policies even among their own work (e.g. they may have a retired set where resale is allowed but also nonretired which cost half as much but can't be resold, but also they then have limited-print recolours and if that exists then you can resell only on every third Tuesday for a 160% mark-up or less)
f) any mix of the above combined
Maybe you remember one or two from being a very frequent return buyer, but even then, you may not directly remember the exact rules. So as a whole, it's just easier to bulk list at a default price and slowly lower as time goes on, rather than spend lord-knows-how-many hours hunting down 200+ shops, many of which don't even exist because the user is inactive/quit, the user never made a forum shop and sells exclusively through the AH, or which may or may not apply depending on how you view purchasing from a third party instead of that user. (e.g. if you buy from or trade with another user, are you still ""bound"" by the original rules you never saw?).
That said, anyone who wants to block me (you won't be losing sales; I haven't purchased an accent in basically a year now, and have zero plans to do so at any point in the future ever again) for the sake of their conscience can feel free to do so at Alestrius #56899. Do me a favour though; if you're going to block me, please let me know who you are so it can be two-way. I prefer to have mutual blockings going on whenever possible so that people can't get cold feet. :p
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-08 11:11 am (UTC)(link)oh no, don't get me wrong- i don't give enough of a shit to block you, not to mention i'm an accent purchaser myself, not an artist. i literally could not care less about you and you don't need to explain your sob story to me in a drama community.
i am on the opposite end of the spectrum from you. i personally never sell my accents at all, presumably because i have hoarding tendencies- but they're better being used to hoard pretty pixels on a dragon game than on real life. that's my right. it's your right to sell your shit. some people may be mad at me for keeping limited runs and not using them (yet i swear), some people may be mad at you for reselling for a profit. neither of us is more 'correct' than the other. and that's what we call bipartisanship :)
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 05:14 am (UTC)(link)if you get blocked it's your fault rofl. accent reselling and scalping is so horrible on this website, it honestly makes me not want to interact with this community at all anymore and if it loses artists like that, then well deserved. the incredible amount of objectification I had to undergo through as well, it fucked me up years ago.
talk to me again when you have to read chatlogs where people openly talk about just wanting your accents because your name means "a lot of money", not because they actually want to use them on their dragons.
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 05:17 am (UTC)(link)knowing, and having to read, that people only want my stuff because I am a stepping stone to them making more money was horrible. for who am I working? people enjoying my art and wanting it on their dragons, or a couple asses reselling my accents for 2-5kg a piece tactically waited 3 months later?
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 05:56 am (UTC)(link)Again, just to reiterate as I have a few times in this thread, I have zero problems with people blocking me (and as a bonus, you won't even lose future sales from it since I've got no plans to buy any accents ever again). I literally have encouraged that elsewhere in the thread if it'll give people peace of mind. I've also actively encouraged (as in the OP) people to undercut me and just sell their own copies.
If you don't want your accents resold, don't make them limited, and keep a copy or two (or a few more if it's in high demand at the time) on the AH at normal price after the initial printing. It really is that simple. There's no reseller market on things that aren't limited in quantity because it's not practical to sell an accent for profit if there's other copies of the exact same accent available for base price. Do that a few times and the resellers will avoid you because it's not a profitable market. Bam, problem solved, and as a win-win bonus, more people will get to use your art on their dragons (since you've implied that that's your goal in selling your accents).
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 08:51 am (UTC)(link)If limited run has an option of sending blueprint + some gems, I'd go to the artist even at the markup, but most of then are shooting thenselves in the foot by refusing to print single copies. I understand the need to be truthful about there being exactly X copies, but then it's natural someone else is getting the profit after. It's exactly the same as limited run IRL figurines being resold for lots later.
I get cycled tho, why is THAT not the norm? Cycle your UMAs depending on date, season, pushes, battles, anything IRL that occurs yearly (or bi-yearly) and you solve the "perma slots taken ew" by making a pinglist that is NOT slotlist (so how hatchery pinglists work) and while you do lower FOMO, people will probably still want it now, rather than wait for next cycle.
Do more cycles, best pf both worlds!
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)there is clearly some additional context that you're not sharing based on how overly defensive you are to ppl disagreeing with you
no clue why you thought this was a good idea
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(Anonymous) 2021-04-06 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)in a way, letting old things cycle back into the market is alright instead of hoarding it, just asking metaphorical five billion gems for something the artist released merely a month ago is bullshit
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